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John Green

Birth

1784

 

SC, Anderson Co, Rocky River

Rocky River was an old settlement in Pendleton District, now in Anderson County
Most genealogies consider John's mother to be Lucretia Franklin. The Shoemaker genealogy, and perhaps others, reports a second wife of Meshack as his mother, Mary Polly Wiseman. However, this conflicts with the report in Meshack's will in 1800 that his surviving wife is Lucretia (Creasy).

Compilations on this generation of Greens are mostly confused and several generations seem compressed into one, and more than one line combined in different ways in different sources. Very difficult to sort out.

This line of Greens is attested at various levels as being Cherokee or part Cherokee. Some report it in the Green line of Meshack, and others report that for Lucretia for the Franklin line. A prominent Green branch is Gardner Green, who appears to be from this same Green lineage. They claim to be fully Cherokee, but moved north to the Midwest.
-- Gardner Green, http://www.gardnergreen.info/control.html

There are several lines of Greens in the Carolinas and Georgia. Some have this John Green connected to my Green line, a son of Meshack and Lucretia Green, thought to be of full or part Cherokee descent. He may be a brother to my direct ancestor Daniel John Green.

In some genealogies, these two persons are combined under the name of either John Green, Daniel Green or Daniel John Green, with mixed details that seem to me to come from three different Green lineages! No notes or explanations are found in any of these confusing genealogies.

I have had some direct contact from some individuals in these genealogies who provided some few family details on one or two individuals in their line. All my sources are fully documented here.

One or two had identified this John Green with another unrelated line of Greens in north Carolina. Members of that prominent Green family in Rutherford County, South Carolina, are of European background, and are also reported in this genealogy, associated with the McSwains, Bridges, Padgetts, Moores and Washburns from prerevolutionary times. Many of these Carolina families, however, intermarried with the Cherokee, the populous indigenous people of the Carolina area.

John Green b 1784, Father: Meshack GREEN b: 1720, Mother: Lucretia FRANKLIN b: ABT 1755, Marriage wife Charlotte b 1782
-- Ancestry Trees, Jess Headley, ancestry.com

Some genealogies have information on Charlotte as Charlotte Brown, with a nickname Lottie reported by some. But I have found no parents for her. (One confused genealogy has parents named Green for her, though her surname is Brown.)

"Charlotte had a daughter named Lucretia aka Lucressa aka Lucinda, aka Cressy. She married a man named Adam Campbell. They are buried on property off of Lake Smith Dam Road in Walker County Alabama. Lucretia is my GG Grandmother."
-- Clint Norwood, note on the genealogy site, 1 July 2011

Lynn Tyler, a great great great granddaughter of Lucresa and Adam Campbell, comments on one of her genealogy sites:
"Lucresa Green the wife of Adam Campbell was full blooded Cherokee Indian. She is my third Great Grandmother."
-- Lynn Tyler, genealogy.com

Note that for Lucresa to be "full blooded" Cherokee, BOTH her parents, John Green and Charlotte Brown, and her grandparents Meshack Green and Lucretia (Creasy) Franklin, as well as BOTH Carlotte's parents and all the way back, had also be full blooded. This seems unlikely. Some family sources report that Meshack on the one side or Lucretia on the other was "part Cherokee."

So the Cherokee information is not definitive. Neither Lynn nor any of the other genealogists I have found actually gives details or provides documentation. So we are dealing, apparently, with family tradition. At this stage, I have no reason to doubt this, as documentation of Native America origins is notoriously difficult to come by, as many records that did exist were destroyed or modified by the government, or did not exist in writing in the oral culture formats of Native peoples. The problem is percentages of native genetic ancestry and specific connections with European origins or lineage is not consistently attested in these various family traditions.

More genealogies have gradually come out providing reasonable details that seem to reflect family sources, though they do not provide documentation. The following one provides the maiden name of John's wife Charlotte. Another indicates her nickname was Lottie, a common nickname for Charlotte. This also provides a middle name for their daughter Lucinda, which makes her named after John's mother Lucretia. The name on Lucinda's gravestone is spelled Lucresa.

John Green
Birth 1784 in Rocky River, Pendleton Dist, South Carolina
Death 8 Apr 1857 in Hall, Georgia
Spouse Charlotte Brown
Birth 1782 in South Carolina
Death 1860 in Gordon, Georgia
Daughter Lucinda Lucresa Green
Birth 09 May 1804 in North Carolina
Death 13 Sep 1862 in Smith Lake, Walker, Alabama
-- Rosenbaum/Driscoll, ancestry.com

Rocky River was the name of an old settlement on the railroad in Pendleton District, South Carolina. The area is now in Anderson County, one of the several divisions of old Pendleton in the 1800s. Rocky River community was near the Rocky River, a few miles south of the city of Anderson.

The data of death here is the same as for a Daniel John Green, reported by many genealogies as a son of this same Meshack and Lucretia. It had seemed odd before that there was a Daniel John and John who were brothers, though many families in this era reused the same names for two of their children. However, reported wives and children of John Green and Daniel John Green were different. Both are reported to have had a son named John, both born about 1800. Otherwise there is no similarity to reported children for the two.

But there is one genealogy that has the same family information for John Green as above, but the man's name there is Daniel John. Most of these genealogies have incomplete families, so the family configurations are not definitive. I do think the same death date indicates perhaps a confusion of two persons or a confusion in the naming. I may have misinterpolated information from these spotty sources, as may have some of the other more complete genealogies I have more recently found and drawn upon!

Charlotte Green

Birth

1782

Location

NC, Rutherford Co

Death

1860

Location

GA, Gordon Co

Aged: 78 years
In my original source for John Green and his wife Charlotte, I had no maiden name for Charlotte. I had the parentage and family of John Green, which was in my direct line of ancestry. There are several lines of Greens in the Carolinas and Georgia. Some have this John Green connected to my Green line, a son of Meshack and Lucretia Green, thought to be of full or part Cherokee descent.

One or two had identified this John Green with another unrelated line of Greens in north Carolina. Members of that prominent Green family in Rutherford County, South Carolina, are of European background, and are also reported in this genealogy, associated with the McSwains, Bridges, Padgetts, Moores and Washburns from prerevolutionary times. Many of these Carolina families, however, intermarried with the Cherokee, the populous indigenous people of the Carolina area.

A genealogy containing John and Charlotte Green, with the matching details, few they be, for our John and Charlotte, indicated her maiden name was also Green. This source puts her in Rutherford County, with parents I had in the McSwain-Padgett-Moore-Green lineages in this database, but had only one child, Henry.

The source genealogy had only two children, Lucretia and Balous. My previous family sources for the other Green line of John did not have either of these children for our John and Charlotte. Furthermore the approximate date of birth for Lucretia clashed with the exact date of birth for John and Charlotte's daughter Lucinda [Lucresa], born 9 May 1804. The birth state of North Carolina, however, matched. Mismatches of census ages and even family-reported birth dates is always a bane for genealogy, so this is not insurmountable.

But I am still cautious of confirming that this is the same Charlotte and John as in the Meshack Green lineages. Lacking other details for Charlotte, I will assign these details to her, while searching for confirmations or corrections.

Another red flag is that this genealogy reports that John's mother was Mary Polly Wiseman, yet in 1800 the wife named in Meshack's will in Lucretia (Creasy). The name of the daughter here, Lucresa (Lucretia) seems to point to Lucretia as John's mother. But many source have only one or some of the chidlren. I have found nothing definitive to tie the family with the son Balous to the John and Charlotte related to Meshack with a daughter Lucresa or Lucretia. Some also report a son Jeremiah, but that appears to be yet again another couple. So more forensics are ongoing here.

Charlotte Green
Birth 1782 in Rutherford, North Carolina
Death 1860 in Gordon, Georgia
Parents William D Marion Green 1753-1832
Drucilla McBrayer 1755-1828
Spouse John Green 1786-1860
Children:
Lucresa Green 1804-1862
Balous E Green 1810-1899
-- Shoemaker, ancestry.com

Some genealogies with no discussion or documentation, like the above, have reported that Charlotte's maiden name was Green. Several have her as Charlotte Brown. One other genealogy has these same parents, but has Charlotte's last name as Brown.

Several genealogies report she was Charlotte Brown, not Charlotte Green. But I have not found her parents. Since none of these genealogies tells us where they got their information or discusses the problems with the family or differences from other genealogies, they are not reliable or definitive.

I have gleaned basic information, but am aware that the configuration of the Green family in this generation is precarious.

Firm information from family indicates that John and Charlotte's daughter Lucresa, matching Lucinda in some sources, was born in 1804 (most genealogies say in North Carolina, thought all other information on the family report they lived in Pendleton District, South Carolina) and died in 1862 (gravestone in Walker County, Alabama) with supporting stories and consistent information on her husband and their migration from North Carolina.

I am uncertain about the other children, with two different sets reported for John and Charlotte, and confusion of this John with a Daniel, supposedly his brother, who is also called Daniel John and his wife Mary, with genealogies for both men showing the same death date and place in Hall County, Georgia, where a death date is even reported.

Other chidlren I think are associated with these parents, from the sources I have seen are:
Daniel b abt 1799
John b abt 1800
David b abt 1802
  •  01-Jul-11 12:11 PM
Charlotte had a daughter named Lucretia aka Lucressa aka Lucinda, aka Cressy. She married a man named Adam Campbell. They are buried on property off of Lake Smith Dam Road in Walker County Alabama.

Lucretia is my GG Grandmother.

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  1. Other: Gedcom Import: Jenkins-Gregory-LeStrange-McSwainPRIV.ged; Imported 8/19/2007;
  2. Website:Jess Headley Genealogy of the Greens;
  1. Website:Ancestry Trees, Shoemaker;
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